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Here is a Wonderful Post By Longtime Peninsula Resident
December 6, 2011 at 9:08 AM appeared in the Seattle paper
Heart of the Rainforest By: Cliff Hay
Those of us who are members of pioneer families who lost our homes and land to these same well meaning environmental sentiments know what the ramifications are from governmental actions like the ones being proposed by Senator Murray and Congressman Dicks. First our lands were taken by eminent domain to be included in a Forest Reserve then some years later with a stroke of the pen by Harry Truman, was designated part of the Olympic National Park. A thriving tax paying rural community that had built homes, farms, trails, roads, schoolhouses and a post office was wiped off the maps to be replaced by a National Park Service that can't afford to maintain the trails and roads that are now in its jurisdiction. If there is money available now to purchase more lands to add to the park why don't we use that instead to maintain the infrastructure that lets all of us enjoy our park instead of locking up more land and resources that can be used to make us a more productive nation? Although Congressman Dicks maintains that these land use changes will provide for continuing recreational, hunting and fishing access to the affected areas, history tells a much different story.
If you care about the members of the depressed rural communities who live near and use these areas proposed for wilderness and park let Senator Murray and Congressman Dicks know that our financial resources need to be used for other purposes. Let's focus on bringing our great nation back into financial stability. There are plenty of wild areas in Olympic National Park and adjoining U. S. Forest Service lands that are now hardly used. Let's not lock up more of our resources.
A reply to Cliffs post below:
From a Seattle Resident: josebrwn
"My family's land was also taken by eminent domain for a greenbelt in the 1960's. I remember my uncle logged the land before the government could take it. I also remember that we were paid very well for forest land that was impossible to build on. Today, nearly 50 years later, the same greenbelt is still there, a thin sliver of peace and nature in a sea of roads, houses and strip malls, home to birds, deer, coyotes.
The Olympic National Park is not some "well meaning environmental sentiment". It is an irreplaceable national treasure. I remember visiting many years ago and attending a lecture given by a park ranger. He showed a satellite photo of the park. Right to the very borders of the park was an endless sea of clear cuts, roads, farms, towns and cities, an endless network of teeming humanity, 300 million souls pushing aside everything of value before it.
Bromides about "our great nation" that exclude and vilify national treasures like the Olympic National Forest and the Olympic National Park are a disservice to the nation. Depressed rural communities are not national treasures, and they are depressed for a reason. They represent a dying tradition that offer little or nothing to our society, which is exactly why they're dying, and why nearly all the children who grow up in them dream of escaping them.
Holding the last vestiges of our natural world and our most important national treasures hostage for the sake of a few business owners in dying, depressed, homely rural towns defies logic.. it's a rank sentimentality that offers nothing to our country and takes away what is most important, and can never be recovered".
Please let Senator Murray know you support the expansion of the Olympic National Forest.
Wow! What planet is this dude from?
This is the kind of WO mentality we are dealing with?
Cliff’s Reply to the quote below:
"My family's land was also taken by eminent domain for a greenbelt in the 1960's. I remember my uncle logged the land before the government could take it. I also remember that we were paid very well for forest land that was impossible to build on."
Cliff-
There is a little difference in losing a piece of logged off land that is unhabitable and losing a home and 160 acres of old growth timber on the Queets River for a sum of money less than $5,000. I am relieved to know that you environmentalists in Seattle know what is best for us in rural areas, because there are so many of you and you have done a great job protecting your environment.
Yes Cliff indeed they are good at producing great "Saintly Cesspools of Glory"
Post By: Brooke a resident of Quinault
December 6, 2011
In Response to josebrwn of Seattle’s post on the rural areas of the peninsula.
We are strong healthy minded rural communities here, full of genuine hard working caring people. Dying is hardly the correct word usage. The friendship and strength that hold us together here is a delightful gift we live and breath each day. Something you will never experience or recognize if you did. We are givers not takers. We grow our nations resources. We have replenished and cared for the forests as much as government agencies have allowed. You indeed have pointed your finger in the wrong direction when you stated people in these communities "offer little or nothing to our society". What makes you think that those of you who have created your city cesspools to live in, are any better then our rural people who supply you and our nation with the resources you over consume? People living here have worked diligently to protect and keep our forests and watershed areas clean that feed our rivers. They have kept these non working lands you all visit protected against a government known for neglective management practices within the national park system. Perhaps you could show more respect and be more thankful to these people in the rural counties you so freely backlash as being a worthless part of the population. I find it quite pitiful there are still people like you walking blindly through life with this narrow caliber of cold thinking. You stated "nearly all the children who grow up in them (speaking of our rural communities) dream of escaping them". You are acquainted with nearly all our rural peninsula children? Wow. Sounds like you certainly do get around. Your doing better then the residents that actually live here! I can assure you that the hundreds of peninsula children we know are very stable young people who have great respect for their families and the communities they come from and we share together. Our children are proud of who they are and just as eager to develop into fine young adults as anyone else. Accusing those who have invested a lifetime of hard work and dedication for a life they chose, of trying to "hold our national treasures hostage for the sake of a few business owners in dying, depressed, homely rural towns defies logic". "it's a rank sentimentality that offers nothing to our country and takes away what is most important".
Are you the most important josebrwn? You and your city dwellers? You are the dying population that cries for help. Takers and wasters. The deeper the holes you dig for yourselves, the more you strive to degrade and take from others. Those that do not live here are quick to pass judgement of things they know nothing about. We raise our rural families with real values, respect for others and to respect the land that provides for us. We teach our children to appreciate and to give thanks for what they do have, that when asking for more, to first consider those that don't have any. Not many here put themselves before others. We are survivors and proud of it. Patty Murray may have collapsed our states infrastructure, and robbed us and our chances at what a future might hold, but she cannot rob from us the hearts that have made and kept these lands the place you enjoy today. Frankly josebrwn, with all due (?) respect if I was your mother I would be shamefully embarrassed by your derogatory belittling behavior and sour attitude towards others. A Bad Seed so to speak. Someone aught to turn you over their knee. Unbelievable!
Regards from Quinault
Here is a Wonderful Post By Longtime Peninsula Resident
December 6, 2011 at 9:08 AM appeared in the Seattle paper
Heart of the Rainforest By: Cliff Hay
Those of us who are members of pioneer families who lost our homes and land to these same well meaning environmental sentiments know what the ramifications are from governmental actions like the ones being proposed by Senator Murray and Congressman Dicks. First our lands were taken by eminent domain to be included in a Forest Reserve then some years later with a stroke of the pen by Harry Truman, was designated part of the Olympic National Park. A thriving tax paying rural community that had built homes, farms, trails, roads, schoolhouses and a post office was wiped off the maps to be replaced by a National Park Service that can't afford to maintain the trails and roads that are now in its jurisdiction. If there is money available now to purchase more lands to add to the park why don't we use that instead to maintain the infrastructure that lets all of us enjoy our park instead of locking up more land and resources that can be used to make us a more productive nation? Although Congressman Dicks maintains that these land use changes will provide for continuing recreational, hunting and fishing access to the affected areas, history tells a much different story.
If you care about the members of the depressed rural communities who live near and use these areas proposed for wilderness and park let Senator Murray and Congressman Dicks know that our financial resources need to be used for other purposes. Let's focus on bringing our great nation back into financial stability. There are plenty of wild areas in Olympic National Park and adjoining U. S. Forest Service lands that are now hardly used. Let's not lock up more of our resources.
A reply to Cliffs post below:
From a Seattle Resident: josebrwn
"My family's land was also taken by eminent domain for a greenbelt in the 1960's. I remember my uncle logged the land before the government could take it. I also remember that we were paid very well for forest land that was impossible to build on. Today, nearly 50 years later, the same greenbelt is still there, a thin sliver of peace and nature in a sea of roads, houses and strip malls, home to birds, deer, coyotes.
The Olympic National Park is not some "well meaning environmental sentiment". It is an irreplaceable national treasure. I remember visiting many years ago and attending a lecture given by a park ranger. He showed a satellite photo of the park. Right to the very borders of the park was an endless sea of clear cuts, roads, farms, towns and cities, an endless network of teeming humanity, 300 million souls pushing aside everything of value before it.
Bromides about "our great nation" that exclude and vilify national treasures like the Olympic National Forest and the Olympic National Park are a disservice to the nation. Depressed rural communities are not national treasures, and they are depressed for a reason. They represent a dying tradition that offer little or nothing to our society, which is exactly why they're dying, and why nearly all the children who grow up in them dream of escaping them.
Holding the last vestiges of our natural world and our most important national treasures hostage for the sake of a few business owners in dying, depressed, homely rural towns defies logic.. it's a rank sentimentality that offers nothing to our country and takes away what is most important, and can never be recovered".
Please let Senator Murray know you support the expansion of the Olympic National Forest.
Wow! What planet is this dude from?
This is the kind of WO mentality we are dealing with?
Cliff’s Reply to the quote below:
"My family's land was also taken by eminent domain for a greenbelt in the 1960's. I remember my uncle logged the land before the government could take it. I also remember that we were paid very well for forest land that was impossible to build on."
Cliff-
There is a little difference in losing a piece of logged off land that is unhabitable and losing a home and 160 acres of old growth timber on the Queets River for a sum of money less than $5,000. I am relieved to know that you environmentalists in Seattle know what is best for us in rural areas, because there are so many of you and you have done a great job protecting your environment.
Yes Cliff indeed they are good at producing great "Saintly Cesspools of Glory"
Post By: Brooke a resident of Quinault
December 6, 2011
In Response to josebrwn of Seattle’s post on the rural areas of the peninsula.
We are strong healthy minded rural communities here, full of genuine hard working caring people. Dying is hardly the correct word usage. The friendship and strength that hold us together here is a delightful gift we live and breath each day. Something you will never experience or recognize if you did. We are givers not takers. We grow our nations resources. We have replenished and cared for the forests as much as government agencies have allowed. You indeed have pointed your finger in the wrong direction when you stated people in these communities "offer little or nothing to our society". What makes you think that those of you who have created your city cesspools to live in, are any better then our rural people who supply you and our nation with the resources you over consume? People living here have worked diligently to protect and keep our forests and watershed areas clean that feed our rivers. They have kept these non working lands you all visit protected against a government known for neglective management practices within the national park system. Perhaps you could show more respect and be more thankful to these people in the rural counties you so freely backlash as being a worthless part of the population. I find it quite pitiful there are still people like you walking blindly through life with this narrow caliber of cold thinking. You stated "nearly all the children who grow up in them (speaking of our rural communities) dream of escaping them". You are acquainted with nearly all our rural peninsula children? Wow. Sounds like you certainly do get around. Your doing better then the residents that actually live here! I can assure you that the hundreds of peninsula children we know are very stable young people who have great respect for their families and the communities they come from and we share together. Our children are proud of who they are and just as eager to develop into fine young adults as anyone else. Accusing those who have invested a lifetime of hard work and dedication for a life they chose, of trying to "hold our national treasures hostage for the sake of a few business owners in dying, depressed, homely rural towns defies logic". "it's a rank sentimentality that offers nothing to our country and takes away what is most important".
Are you the most important josebrwn? You and your city dwellers? You are the dying population that cries for help. Takers and wasters. The deeper the holes you dig for yourselves, the more you strive to degrade and take from others. Those that do not live here are quick to pass judgement of things they know nothing about. We raise our rural families with real values, respect for others and to respect the land that provides for us. We teach our children to appreciate and to give thanks for what they do have, that when asking for more, to first consider those that don't have any. Not many here put themselves before others. We are survivors and proud of it. Patty Murray may have collapsed our states infrastructure, and robbed us and our chances at what a future might hold, but she cannot rob from us the hearts that have made and kept these lands the place you enjoy today. Frankly josebrwn, with all due (?) respect if I was your mother I would be shamefully embarrassed by your derogatory belittling behavior and sour attitude towards others. A Bad Seed so to speak. Someone aught to turn you over their knee. Unbelievable!
Regards from Quinault
AMAZING GRACE!
